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		<title>By: Josh pyles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh pyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoah, looks like i&#039;m late to the party!

Thanks for the cool post George! It really is great to hear nice words from other designers!

I agree that some people can skip college (me, kalani, and jeff, etc) and be totally fine. Especially in this field, where the rules have changed so much in the past few years. Every day a new innovation is made it seems. Textbooks can hardly keep up.

I also agree that a college education can be an awesome experience in a number of ways.

One thing I hate about culture today is that we put so much relevance on a college education, that many people feel like they have to have it to be someone. I feel that is totally not true, and it sounds like most of the people here agree!

@kalani I love the fortune cookie line! made me laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoah, looks like i&#8217;m late to the party!</p>
<p>Thanks for the cool post George! It really is great to hear nice words from other designers!</p>
<p>I agree that some people can skip college (me, kalani, and jeff, etc) and be totally fine. Especially in this field, where the rules have changed so much in the past few years. Every day a new innovation is made it seems. Textbooks can hardly keep up.</p>
<p>I also agree that a college education can be an awesome experience in a number of ways.</p>
<p>One thing I hate about culture today is that we put so much relevance on a college education, that many people feel like they have to have it to be someone. I feel that is totally not true, and it sounds like most of the people here agree!</p>
<p>@kalani I love the fortune cookie line! made me laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: George Huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chriskalani - lol, you also have a good chance of finding happiness in your life.

@sigler - I think anything post-k12 (US) counts.  You&#039;re right about the maturity thing with the coursework - thankfully if you want to learn print stuff you can look it up on the web as well.  It&#039;s all about learning how to learn.  Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chriskalani &#8211; lol, you also have a good chance of finding happiness in your life.</p>
<p>@sigler &#8211; I think anything post-k12 (US) counts.  You&#8217;re right about the maturity thing with the coursework &#8211; thankfully if you want to learn print stuff you can look it up on the web as well.  It&#8217;s all about learning how to learn.  Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigler</title>
		<link>http://www.eleven3.com/article/a-web-designers-education/comment-page-1/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does tech school count as college? Many of the techies and web designers I know are primarily self-taught. I am primarily self-taught, having begun when I got really excited about ASCII art and the RIP graphics for BBS&#039;s.

I did go to a tech school for about a year and a half and got an Associates degree. It was useful in learning what I didn&#039;t want to do.

At times I do regret not having more schooling in design fundamentals. I believe there is much that can be applied to the web from great print techniques. Basic design principles hold true regardless of the medium. I&#039;ve had to unlearn some bad habits that I might not have picked up with more school.

That said, the web design courses at most universities are atrocious and too far behind the times. I doubt that will change until our industry has reached a bit more of maturity.

Big 3.0 looming for me as well. Just hit 2.8 :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does tech school count as college? Many of the techies and web designers I know are primarily self-taught. I am primarily self-taught, having begun when I got really excited about ASCII art and the RIP graphics for BBS&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I did go to a tech school for about a year and a half and got an Associates degree. It was useful in learning what I didn&#8217;t want to do.</p>
<p>At times I do regret not having more schooling in design fundamentals. I believe there is much that can be applied to the web from great print techniques. Basic design principles hold true regardless of the medium. I&#8217;ve had to unlearn some bad habits that I might not have picked up with more school.</p>
<p>That said, the web design courses at most universities are atrocious and too far behind the times. I doubt that will change until our industry has reached a bit more of maturity.</p>
<p>Big 3.0 looming for me as well. Just hit 2.8 <img src='http://www.eleven3.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: chriskalani</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriskalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got that out of a fortune cookie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got that out of a fortune cookie.</p>
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		<title>By: George Huff</title>
		<link>http://www.eleven3.com/article/a-web-designers-education/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>George Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dige-a-roony It&#039;s all about the relationships - College does that pretty well.

@Matt Please get off my internet or I&#039;m going to call the police.

@ChrisKalani Keep up the good work - amazing things will come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dige-a-roony It&#8217;s all about the relationships &#8211; College does that pretty well.</p>
<p>@Matt Please get off my internet or I&#8217;m going to call the police.</p>
<p>@ChrisKalani Keep up the good work &#8211; amazing things will come.</p>
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		<title>By: chriskalani</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriskalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, thanks for including me as one of the fools who went against the grain.  This is a great post and it&#039;s something that I am pretty passionate about; mainly when it comes to the design industry.  PS - it was cool meeting you last week.  I look forward to talking to you sometime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, thanks for including me as one of the fools who went against the grain.  This is a great post and it&#8217;s something that I am pretty passionate about; mainly when it comes to the design industry.  PS &#8211; it was cool meeting you last week.  I look forward to talking to you sometime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obama blows, like you you portland fag! rest of oregon hates portland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obama blows, like you you portland fag! rest of oregon hates portland</p>
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		<title>By: Dige-a-roony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dige-a-roony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Networking bro-ha.  That&#039;s what gets you places and keeps you going.  I&#039;m working in a Uni now because I networked.  (I also learned Korean, but that just helped me network).  Dating is networking (of which I did little).  Business is networking (of which I did lots).

Now I&#039;m networking half-way across the globe and one of my best friends is the MVP from the Korean pro soccer league.  Network yourself into your own blissful cave of yum yums, whatever and wherever that may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Networking bro-ha.  That&#8217;s what gets you places and keeps you going.  I&#8217;m working in a Uni now because I networked.  (I also learned Korean, but that just helped me network).  Dating is networking (of which I did little).  Business is networking (of which I did lots).</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m networking half-way across the globe and one of my best friends is the MVP from the Korean pro soccer league.  Network yourself into your own blissful cave of yum yums, whatever and wherever that may be.</p>
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		<title>By: George Huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ken - For many professions, I completely agree - but web design education taught by professors who don&#039;t really know what they are talking about is a waste of money.

That being said, a general degree (such as business) can be intangibly valuable - it&#039;s hard for me to gauge when it is and isn&#039;t helping me.

And again, the life experience of college opens a lot of doors as well as your mind.

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ken &#8211; For many professions, I completely agree &#8211; but web design education taught by professors who don&#8217;t really know what they are talking about is a waste of money.</p>
<p>That being said, a general degree (such as business) can be intangibly valuable &#8211; it&#8217;s hard for me to gauge when it is and isn&#8217;t helping me.</p>
<p>And again, the life experience of college opens a lot of doors as well as your mind.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Luallen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Luallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you know when you&#039;re 16 that you want to be a web designer for life, then sure don&#039;t go to college.  If you&#039;re not sure what you do with your life or think there&#039;s an outside chance that somewhere down the line you might want one of the ten million jobs that require a college degree, I&#039;d suggest hanging on to the boring education for a bit longer.

Choosing not to go to college can be exceptionally short sighted.  And the greatest benefit of college is often not practical -- it&#039;s the concentrated exposure you get to people from other parts of the country and the world as well as the license you get to explore whatever ideas you want without having to work full time.

While growing up in the real world is a perfectly acceptable and sometimes even advantageous alternative, it&#039;s not the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you know when you&#8217;re 16 that you want to be a web designer for life, then sure don&#8217;t go to college.  If you&#8217;re not sure what you do with your life or think there&#8217;s an outside chance that somewhere down the line you might want one of the ten million jobs that require a college degree, I&#8217;d suggest hanging on to the boring education for a bit longer.</p>
<p>Choosing not to go to college can be exceptionally short sighted.  And the greatest benefit of college is often not practical &#8212; it&#8217;s the concentrated exposure you get to people from other parts of the country and the world as well as the license you get to explore whatever ideas you want without having to work full time.</p>
<p>While growing up in the real world is a perfectly acceptable and sometimes even advantageous alternative, it&#8217;s not the same.</p>
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